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nitto - 31.07.2006, 21:34 Uhr
Titel: Perfect installation but some slight problem (issues??)

First off, this is one of the best distro's I've used.... can't believe I didn't try it earlier, so a big congrats to everyone on this Sehr glücklich

I've installed kanopix 2005 / 04 without any hussle but I may have made an error somewhere along the partition line, 'cause after reboot, I have my "/" directory appear on the desktop as "hd1", 9.7GB media.

I've had my installation on my WD j8mb 80GB hdd as:

Primary partition hdh1
* reiserFS 9GB: / mount point
Ex partition hdh4
* reiserFS - hdh5 (10GB): /home
* reiserFS - hdh6 (15GB): /opt
* reiserFS - hdh7 (39GB): /data
* reiserFS - hdh8 (1GB): /var
* hdh9 (541.22mb): Swap

So seeing a 9.7GB media on my desktop after installation seems quite strange...

Any help / suggestions??

cheers

devil - 31.07.2006, 21:59 Uhr
Titel: Perfect installation but some slight problem (issues??)

nitto,
besides that you have installed an old version, which is hard to upgrade, to solve the disk problem, please show output of fdisk -l (its a small L)

greetz
devil

nitto - 31.07.2006, 22:16 Uhr
Titel: Re: Perfect installation but some slight problem (issues??)

Old veersion?
I thought this was the latest one!! just downloaded Traurig

what is the latest version?

Also, fdisk -l (small L) had no output Frage

- - - - - - - -
nitto@Aurelie:~$ fdisk -l /dev/hda
nitto@Aurelie:~$ fdisk /dev/hda

Unable to open /dev/hda
nitto@Aurelie:~$
- - - - - - - -

devil hat folgendes geschrieben::

nitto,
besides that you have installed an old version, which is hard to upgrade, to solve the disk problem, please show output of fdisk -l (its a small L)

greetz
devil

ockham23 - 31.07.2006, 22:25 Uhr
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You have to become root first:

Code:

sux

fdisk -l

devil meant Easter-RC4, which is much easier to upgrade than 2005-04.

nitto - 31.07.2006, 22:50 Uhr
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ahem

root@Aurelie:/home/nitto# fdisk -l

Disk /dev/hdh: 80.0 GB, 80026361856 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9729 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/hdh1 1 1175 9438156 83 Linux
/dev/hdh2 1176 9729 68710005 5 Extended
/dev/hdh5 1176 2480 10482381 83 Linux
/dev/hdh6 2481 4438 15727603+ 83 Linux
/dev/hdh7 4439 9529 40893426 83 Linux
/dev/hdh8 9530 9660 1052226 83 Linux
/dev/hdh9 9661 9729 554211 82 Linux swap / Solaris

Disk /dev/sda: 257 MB, 257425408 bytes
16 heads, 32 sectors/track, 982 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 512 * 512 = 262144 bytes

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sda1 * 1 982 251376 e W95 FAT16 (LBA)

How stable is Easter-RC4 version?

cheers

ockham23 hat folgendes geschrieben::

You have to become root first:

Code:

sux

fdisk -l

devil meant Easter-RC4, which is much easier to upgrade than 2005-04.

ockham23 - 31.07.2006, 22:55 Uhr
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http://debian.tu-bs.de/project/kanotix/preview/KANOTIX-2006-Easter-RC4.iso

ockham23 - 31.07.2006, 23:08 Uhr
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Zitat:

How stable is Easter-RC4 version?

Actually, it's quite stable for a preview release. But I wouldn't use it to run a nuclear power plant. Winken

The only major issue I know of is with VIA onboard sound chips (e.g., VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller), which may cause the sound system driver to hang during start up. But there's a simple solution for this problem.

devil - 31.07.2006, 23:12 Uhr
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nitto,
i guess, its just a matter of counting, 1gig being 100megs 01 1024 megs:
/dev/hdh1 1 1175 9438156 83 Linux

easter RC4 is stable here for months, but maybe just wait a little while and watch for news.
btw: how many distros live on that disk?
and on the others, this one being hdh?

greetz
devil

nitto - 01.08.2006, 03:17 Uhr
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1 hdd (80GB) and 1 distro, which is Kanotix!

devil hat folgendes geschrieben::

nitto,
i guess, its just a matter of counting, 1gig being 100megs or 1024 megs:
/dev/hdh1 1 1175 9438156 83 Linux

greetz
devil

devil - 01.08.2006, 06:27 Uhr
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nitto,
i was just wondering, because your disk is hdh. if you have only one, it would be hda.

greetz
devil

SaberBlaze - 01.08.2006, 06:58 Uhr
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Strange, I'm using the easter rc4 version and this version as well as the 2005-04 version both display incorrect partition sizes on the desktop icons, for example, my root partition is 7 gigs, it says 7.5 on desktop, my /home is 5.94 gigs, it says 6.4 on the desktop, and so on. I wonder why?

nitto - 01.08.2006, 15:47 Uhr
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Could it be due to the way I partitioned my hdd??
I created the root "/" in the primay partition then Extended the rest, which then divided into /usr /opt etc....

Is this the correct way to partition OR was it suppose to be all Primary Partitions?

devil hat folgendes geschrieben::

nitto,
i was just wondering, because your disk is hdh. if you have only one, it would be hda.

greetz
devil

mzilikazi - 01.08.2006, 22:03 Uhr
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nitto hat folgendes geschrieben::

I can see nothing wrong with the way you have partitioned your drive. It is fine to have only 1 primary and the rest logical drives in the extended partition. Linux does not care. It
seems to me that your desktop hdd icons are stupid or just lying to you. I dunno since I don't use them. What does the command df -h say?

The KDE users are forever mucking about with those desktop icons to get them to work right - I personally would not trust them. Winken

nitto - 01.08.2006, 22:44 Uhr
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mzilikazi hat folgendes geschrieben::

~$ df -h
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hdh1 9.1G 4.6G 4.5G 51% /
tmpfs 506M 0 506M 0% /dev/shm
tmpfs 10M 184K 9.9M 2% /dev
/dev/sda1 246M 201M 45M 82% /media/sda1

piper - 01.08.2006, 22:50 Uhr
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mzilikazi hat folgendes geschrieben::

The KDE users are forever mucking about with those desktop icons to get them to work right - I personally would not trust them. Winken

LOL, The users or the icons Winken

hehe

mzilikazi - 02.08.2006, 06:07 Uhr
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nitto hat folgendes geschrieben::

mzilikazi hat folgendes geschrieben::

~$ df -h
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hdh1 9.1G 4.6G 4.5G 51% /
tmpfs 506M 0 506M 0% /dev/shm
tmpfs 10M 184K 9.9M 2% /dev
/dev/sda1 246M 201M 45M 82% /media/sda1

Nope the icon wasn't lying was it? Verlegen

Now it would be wise to make backups of both /var & /home/<username> before continuing. Seriously - make a backup.

None of your other partitions are mounted. I don't know if this was a bug with the installer or just a simple error during installation. At any rate you don't need to reinstall. You can make it right. This is no more complicated than copying dirs & files from one place to another. Each partition needs to be listed in /etc/fstab or they won't get mounted. As root using your favorite editor edit /etc/fstab.

Code:

su

mcedit -b /etc/fstab

/dev/hdh5       /home           reiserfs defaults        0       0

/dev/hdh6       /opt           reiserfs defaults        0       2

/dev/hdh7       /data            reiserfs defaults        0       2

/dev/hdh8       /var            reiserfs defaults        0       2

You'll also need to copy the contents of /var and /home each to their respective partitions.

Code:

su

mount /dev/hdh5 /media/hdh5

cd /home

cp -a * /media/hdh5

mount /dev/hdh8 /media/hdh8

cd /var

cp -a * /media/hdh8

Now you must remove the contents of both /home & /var so that when you reboot all partitions are mounted and the correct data is in each one.

You did make backups right?

I do this in a bit of a redundant fashion but all it takes is one <space> in the wrong place and you can nuke your / !

Code:

CTRL+ALT+F1

Code:

init 2

cd /var

rm -rf * /var/*

cd /home

rm -rf /home/*

reboot

Good luck. If something gets hosed like oh I dunno from a typo on my part Mit den Augen rollen

boot the live cd and make it right. Well this was typed at the end of a 15 hour day so......

Use your backups as necessary.

mzilikazi - 02.08.2006, 06:10 Uhr
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piper hat folgendes geschrieben::

mzilikazi hat folgendes geschrieben::

The KDE users are forever mucking about with those desktop icons to get them to work right - I personally would not trust them. Winken

LOL, The users or the icons Winken

hehe

The users of course! Auf den Arm nehmen

nitto - 03.08.2006, 13:50 Uhr
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mzilikazi hat folgendes geschrieben::

...
You'll also need to copy the contents of /var and /home each to their respective partitions.

Code:

su

mount /dev/hdh5 /media/hdh5

cd /home

cp -a * /media/hdh5

mount /dev/hdh8 /media/hdh8

cd /var

cp -a * /media/hdh8

...

thanks for the help
I really appreciate this.... Smilie

now a slight problem with above command...
when I type :

mount /dev/hdh5 /media/hdh5

an error comes up as:

mount: you must specify the filesystem type

Is this where I specify, reiserFs????

and just a note that:

# mount -l

command brough up:

/dev/hdh1 on / type reiserfs (rw)
proc on /proc type proc (rw)
sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw,devmode=0666)
tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=10M,mode=0755)

cheers

mzilikazi - 03.08.2006, 14:11 Uhr
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nitto hat folgendes geschrieben::

now a slight problem with above command...
when I type :

mount /dev/hdh5 /media/hdh5

an error comes up as:

mount: you must specify the filesystem type

Is this where I specify, reiserFs????

Seems like you have no filesystem on /dev/hdh5 so create one before trying to mount.

Code:

su

mkreiserfs /dev/hdh5

Now it should mount. Of course you'll need to do the same for any other partitions that have no filesystem on them.

nitto - 05.08.2006, 16:47 Uhr
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thanks for all the help Smilie

at the end, I just re-installed with the Easter-RC4 and after a second try, everything worked fine.
I think the source of the problem was the software package QTparted.
As suggested, I used the CFdisk to partition my hdd while working with the LiveCD of Easter-RC4 then formated the partitions with reiserFS. Installing from that point was only a 9min smooth transaction Smilie

One question is the partitions on the hdd.

After reading many pages on the web about this, I was still not clear on what is the better way to partition my hdd for Kanotix, so I used :
/
/home
/opt
/data
/var
Swap

but it seems, /opt and /data are almost entirely empty, whereas / and /var fairly full.

Is there a more optimum way to partition a 200GB hdd on a latest model system for a single user? (possible uses are games/video/data etc...)

cheers

arlekin - 05.08.2006, 18:13 Uhr
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Nitto,
I would suggest (and use myself) a partition table like this, "as complicated as needed, as simple as possible":

Code:

/

/home

/data

The reasoning: I prefer to keep the OS separate from my own files (but there's no need to divide the OS up, at least not in your or my case, I think); on the home partition I keep all the stuff I take as important (and backup very often); videos, music and other large files of less importance I store on the data partition.

mzilikazi - 06.08.2006, 05:22 Uhr
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nitto hat folgendes geschrieben::

but it seems, /opt and /data are almost entirely empty, whereas / and /var fairly full.

/opt will fill in time. Some applications use this diretory e.g. openoffice.org. /data is not in any way part of the Linux filesystem heirarchy standard. Perhaps /data was suggested as a place to store files to be accessed by both Linux & windows? If I were to put any directory on another partition it would be /usr. That's going to fill up rather quickly. Everytime you install an application most of it goes directly into /usr. Here is my current partition table as an example.

Code:

Filesystem            Size     Used     Avail    Use%    Mounted on

/dev/sda2             957M     490M   468M    52%        /

tmpfs                 506M        0         506M     0%         /dev/shm

/dev/sda9              35G      28G      6.7G     81%        /home

/dev/sda6             957M     34M      924M   4%          /tmp

/dev/sda8             2.8G      1.6G     1.3G     55%         /var

/dev/sda10            9.4G     3.3G     6.1G     35%         /usr

/dev/sda13             38G     34G      3.3G     92%   /home/mzilikazi/Music

/dev/sda3             9.4G      6.7G     2.7G     72% /home/mzilikazi/Photos

tmpfs                  10M        148K     9.9M     2%         /dev

Zitat:

Is there a more optimum way to partition a 200GB hdd on a latest model system for a single user? (possible uses are games/video/data etc...)

That's largely a matter of opinion and preference. I've always liked multi-partition layouts but there is nothing that says you must use one.

Please look here for further info on FHS.

nitto - 08.08.2006, 07:30 Uhr
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I'm assuming that with all the partition suggestions above, Swap is still there, right?
I mean,
eg. /
/home
/data
/Swap

mzilikazi - 08.08.2006, 13:27 Uhr
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nitto hat folgendes geschrieben::

I'm assuming that with all the partition suggestions above, Swap is still there, right?
I mean,
eg. /
/home
/data
/Swap

Yes I do in fact also have a /swap partition.

nitto - 09.08.2006, 11:16 Uhr
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ok...
a follow up question!

Having a simpler form of partition scheme as:
/
/home
/data
/Swap

I get access violation problems when I try to save or write anything into /data partition. It's been owned by root and won't allow me to write anything into it.

How do I change this so that I can start using all the partitions!

cheers

devil - 09.08.2006, 11:26 Uhr
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nitto,
as root do:
chown -R youruser:youruser /media/date or whatever it is

greetz
devil

nitto - 09.08.2006, 16:30 Uhr
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devil hat folgendes geschrieben::

nitto,
as root do:
whatever it is

greetz
devil

it works to get the /dev/hdg3 on my user name....
but it seems I still can't get to write/modify anything in that partition!

here is what I did, as root:
chown -R nitto:nitto /dev/hdg3

so, when I do:
ls -l /dev/hdg*

I get:
brw-rw---- 1 root disk 34, 0 Aug 10 20:11 /dev/hdg
brw-rw---- 1 root disk 34, 1 Aug 10 20:11 /dev/hdg1
brw-rw---- 1 root disk 34, 2 Aug 11 00:11 /dev/hdg2
brw-rw---- 1nitto nitto 34, 3 Aug 11 00:11 /dev/hdg3
brw-rw---- 1 root root 34, 4 Aug 10 20:11 /dev/hdg4

but I still can't write/modify to hdg3, which is where the /data partition is!

cheers
nitto

mzilikazi - 09.08.2006, 17:48 Uhr
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nitto hat folgendes geschrieben::

here is what I did, as root:
chown -R nitto:nitto /dev/hdg3

You want to change ownership of the mount point not the device. Winken

So if you mount the data partition to ~/data make sure you own the mount point.

nitto - 10.08.2006, 03:23 Uhr
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mzilikazi hat folgendes geschrieben::

nitto hat folgendes geschrieben::

here is what I did, as root:
chown -R nitto:nitto /dev/hdg3

You want to change ownership of the mount point not the device. Winken

So if you mount the data partition to ~/data make sure you own the mount point.

well no, not exactly
just to be able to use the /dev/hdg3 as much as I like... like creating/modifying files and folders in it.
The mount point is owned by the root, right? so how can I get the read/write rights to it?

nitto - 10.08.2006, 05:19 Uhr
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feeling like a n**b...
being a newbie and all Winken

suppose to "chown" the /data directory. whereas I was trying to "chown" the whole partition (ie /dev/hdg3)
so, just for the record (to help anyone else who may have this problem)

chown -R nitto:nitto /data

a fair understanding of how Linux file system works (as oppose to windows!) is a good thing :->

stryder - 10.08.2006, 05:35 Uhr
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... which was what mzilikazi meant about changing the ownership of the mount point. If /dev/hdg3 is mounted on /data at that point, the "-R" option also chowns everything inside the mount point, i.e. /dev/hdg3. Knowing these commands can be very helpful when using linux. Smilie

nitto - 10.08.2006, 12:48 Uhr
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still on that topic...:
does it work with Linux notion to have the "/data" mount point named with a long folder name, such as "/My Documents" and put it on the "/home/user_name/Desktop" as a permanent fixture?

stryder - 10.08.2006, 13:50 Uhr
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Well, to view the contents of a folder in kde you'll use konqueror. So you just need to create a launcher on your desktop that launches konqueror showing the contents of /data - something like "konqueror file:/data". And you can name the launcher "My Documents". I don't use kde and so cannot give you the proper konqueror command - I think there is a switch as a file browser and a web browser. In xfce, "thunar /data" works well. You can also install thunar. It's pretty cool.

You can also create a link file (like alias in windows) in your home folder, like:

ln -s /data MyDocs

So when you click MyDocs (which will show when you click on your "home" icon), /data opens.

mzilikazi - 12.08.2006, 19:35 Uhr
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nitto hat folgendes geschrieben::

Instead of links and such, you could choose to mount any partition to any mount point. See my example:

Code:

/dev/sda13      /home/mzilikazi/Music  reiserfs auto,rw,users        0       0

/dev/sdb1 /home/mzilikazi/cam   vfat    noauto,rw,users 0       0

/dev/sda3       /home/mzilikazi/Photos  reiserfs        auto,rw,users   0      0